Automatically join waitinglist for tables with high enough score

[Aquadougs]

Automatically join waitinglist for tables with high enough score.

Or is this already possible?

[Aquadougs]

ok there was another thread like this, but:

1. I would like to at least have a shortcut-key for "join every table with high enough score", where you can adjust the neccessary score amount.

2. Is it possible to make the program pop up after scan?

3. Is it possible to hide the stars lobby in some way when it is scanning? It takes up space when it cant be minimized.

[Zandry]

1. I would like to at least have a shortcut-key for "join every table with high enough score", where you can adjust the neccessary score amount.
Yes, I can add something like this. Right now the way you could do something like this is, make a filter to only show the tables above the score you want. Then, you can use CTRL + A to select all the tables, then you can hit the spacebar, that will use your double click action on all your selected tables. Double click action is set in Configure > Advanced > Shortcuts


2. Is it possible to make the program pop up after scan?
No but I can add it easily. Also you can make it play a sound at the end of the scan, at Configure > Advanced > Appearance, also on that tab, you can turn on "Show system tray icon", that gives a baloontip pop-up at the end of the scan in your system tray which if you click should open tablescan


3. Is it possible to hide the stars lobby in some way when it is scanning? It takes up space when it cant be minimized.
There is the option "move pokerstars lobby off screen during scan" in configure > advanced > performance, but it needs a little work. But you can just move it to a corner of the screen yourself, and it will still work. Unfortunately it cant be minimized or TST would not be able to read it

[fifilein]

Yes, I can add something like this. Right now the way you could do something like this is, make a filter to only show the tables above the score you want. Then, you can use CTRL + A to select all the tables, then you can hit the spacebar, that will use your double click action on all your selected tables. Double click action is set in Configure > Advanced > Shortcuts

still +1 for the shortcut (or even a button "standard action -> all" - for the mouse users; which most propable still are the majority :D)

btw. not that i mind using it for free, any timeline when you will go commercial?

[Zandry]

Ok I can add something to the right click menu, "Select All". Thanks for your support :) I will start selling it in the next few weeks

[Aquadougs]

ok there was another thread like this, but:

1. I would like to at least have a shortcut-key for "join every table with high enough score", where you can adjust the neccessary score amount.

2. Is it possible to make the program pop up after scan?

3. Is it possible to hide the stars lobby in some way when it is scanning? It takes up space when it cant be minimized.

What I mean is that you make the program pop up automatically after scan, and we can hit a button that makes it join all tables with high enough score than autominimize after that. So we are 1 button from it doing all that automatically :)

[Stu_Ungar]

Ok I can add something to the right click menu, "Select All". Thanks for your support :) I will start selling it in the next few weeks

TBH I think what people want is for the software to just add you to every table it finds.

That way we can set up tablescan to scan to look for a very particular set of tables and we get joined to all it finds.

That way we switch it on when we want tables and switch it off when we dont!

What you are suggesting looses the automation, if I want to be added to all tables table scanner finds then why do i need to periodically stop playing poker and select "all tables". If table scanner is running, take it as a given that I want to be added to all tables!

Right now I'm looking at tablescan and HEM scanner.

If table scan had this feature, I would probably go for table scan because I am getting added to the very best tables instantly.

Without this option it isnt all that different from HEM scanner server side, because although there is a lag in the server information, table scan also has a lag between me getting the information and acting upon it.. i.e. having a spare moment to join new tables.

So if you could get this option up and running, it would be fantastic and really put you heads and tails above server side products.

Best wishes.

[Zandry]

To be clear the reason I haven't done it till now is that I was worried that it might possibly not be allowed on FTP or stars, but I studied their prohibited software pages earlier and it really seems like it should be ok, I sent email to support of both sites and FTP doug to see if its alright, hopefully I will get a positive response from them and then I think I will add automation, possibly even in the next version because it's a pretty simple thing for me to implement I think.

Also I will of course be implementing server side pretty shortly after release, it's really just a matter of I have to spend a lot more $$ on computers to scan and I just want to start selling it and making a little money before I invest a lot more.

Also consider there may be an easier way currently to open/join the tables you want, you can make a table list filter for table score > X, and set your open tables to sort to the bottom, and sort your tables by score. Then when you scan, drag your mouse over the top few tables with the best score and hit the spacebar, it will use your double click action on all the selected tables. But I totally see your point how if it was automatically opening/joining waitlists during a scan it would be a massive advantage, I never really thought about it in the way you put it.

[Stu_Ungar]

Cool.

I'm gald you can see the logic.

I think this opens a second idea up.

If we are able to have TableScan join all the good (filtered) waiting lists during a scan, then this aspect is basically a backround task.. once its set up the way i want it I dont really need to see tablescan scanning for tables, as an end user I just get a constant stream of new good tables open up with me sat at them.

So then the question becomes, is this new table better than the tables I already have? If so which table should I leave?

If "My Open Tables" went in a seperate tab (much like a tab in firefox, you know what I mean) and normal table scanning was in a seperate tab then once its scanning and adding, I never need to look at the table scan tab.

What I suddenly become interested in is the "my open tables tab" this has a big SCAN NOW button. So when a new table pops up I am sat down and I click on the SCAN NOW button, this scans my open tables and has its own set of filters (thats why the seperat tab idea makes sense)

Now I can instantly see which tables I am sat at are good and so make a choice of whether or not to leave or stay with the new table. If the new one is not as good as the ones I have already (even though it meets all the filters) then I just leave.

If its better then really what I want to know is which are the worst tables, i.e. bottom of my list.

Does that make sense?

[Aks]

That absolutely makes sence - i use tablescanner for about 6 days and those are the improvements it needs. I also would recomment that you add an option to autorate players as regulars. I will tell you how i use your programm:
I use Tablescanner and the PT3 hud.
I scan for my criterias, then i manually (!) choose the tables i like and open them or join waitlist (if that would happen automatically i could play better poker :) ). furthermore while i am playing i manually mark regulars in the players list. Then i copy and paste those as notes in the pokerstars notes (that could only be made automatically when you add a Tablescanner-hud...right?). I sort the open tables at the bottom and every 5 min. or so i scan them and if they are no "good" anymore i close them and manually choose new "good" tables - that costs a lot of time while i am multitabling!
I hope you understood what i meant.

[Zandry]

Yes, I understand what you're saying, I've been planning to do something like that, I was thinking of adding a 4th list for the open tables, but I like the tab idea it may be a lot easier. Also I am adding a feature so when your open tables do not meet your filter, it will be highlighted red instead of yellow, so you know it doesn't meet your criteria anymore. It might take me a little while to do it but it is definitely one of my top priorities right now, to make an option to have a seperate tab or another list for your open tables

[Aks]

i like!
you really care!
after some updates i would definitely buy this program.

[Stu_Ungar]

Yes, I understand what you're saying, I've been planning to do something like that, I was thinking of adding a 4th list for the open tables, but I like the tab idea it may be a lot easier. Also I am adding a feature so when your open tables do not meet your filter, it will be highlighted red instead of yellow, so you know it doesn't meet your criteria anymore. It might take me a little while to do it but it is definitely one of my top priorities right now, to make an option to have a seperate tab or another list for your open tables


Thats spot on!

That sounds exactly the kind of thing I was talking about

[Zandry]

Good news, I got a response back today from Stars, and they said it is fine, so this is definitely going in the next version 0.49 :)

[Stu_Ungar]

Good news, I got a response back today from Stars, and they said it is fine, so this is definitely going in the next version 0.49 :)

Excellent, Thank you very much.

What about FT?

I only play at FT!

[Zandry]

I'm just assuming if it's ok on Stars then its ok everywhere, plus I have studied the FTP prohibited software page and it seems fine. I tried to message doug but didn't get a response

[Stu_Ungar]

That sounds really cool

Really looking forward to the next release. :)

[Stu_Ungar]

Just interested to hear how this is coming along.

Best wishes

[Zandry]

It's coming along well, i'm sorry for the huge delay but I am just really trying to start selling this program, so I'm just doing one more MASSIVE update before I release it for sale, the next version (RC1) should be ready I think within the next week or two

[Stu_Ungar]

Thats understandable; you obviously want to start raking in the profits from your hard work.

Any ideas on price yet?

[Zandry]

I will probably do what i've always planned which is a one time fee of 79 for all stakes, 49 for low stakes up to 50nl or 19 for micro stakes up to 10nl. But I have been thinking a lot this week if I should charge a little more or make some of these new features i'm adding like an addon or something, after a lot of consideration I don't think I will but I am really adding a ton of value :)

[Stu_Ungar]

There are both pros and cons to add ons both from your perspective and the users.

You, as a developer, do this for money so addons mean that there is an incentive for you to make significant improvements to the product over time. With a one-off fee once its up and running there really isnt all that much incentive for you to keep improving it.

The downside is that it makes the product less competitive when compared to the alternatives because they charge a one off fee. The thing is that if you add some features which are unique and amazing, it wont be long before the others copy you but make it part of the flat fee.

So charging for addons would mean that TST would have the latest and newest features before any other scanner, however the developers for other scanners would probably incorporate these features into their scanners if they were "deal breakers" in terms of selling their own products.

So you need to think will the new features ensure that that new customers keep buying the product?

Its up to you. I am a believer that people should get paid for their work. This is no exception, but if the other scanners copy your ideas people might be tempted to go for one of the competitors and hope they copy you at some point.

[fifilein]

btw. there is one comment i have to the auto-join feature.

i hope that the algo is slightly different than it currently is, as far as i see it works the following

1) browse complete ps lobby -> background table
2) process background table with database -> display processed tables

this often leads to timing issues, as scanning/database takes quite some time, and then on a lot of tables the waitlist is already (way) bigger (eg: 2 people on waitlist instead of zero, which then also wouldnt fit my filter anymore, as i have wl<2)

so i hope the process will work the following

1) browse n-th table
2) check with database/filter
3) join/open if filter is applied
repeat n+1

as displaying tables isnt that time sensitive anymore when there is an autojoin, it would be a superiour way to process it

[Stu_Ungar]

yes you want it to filter and join on the fly rather than scan all tables, then filter all tables then join all tables at the end.

[Zandry]

I know it sounds kinda silly to think that people would message me and tell me I should charge more or charge a monthly fee, but actually it happens probably more than you'd imagine. It's usually MSNL or HSNL players and I think they feel like it gives them a edge and they would rather pay more for me to ration the software and keep their perceived edge. So it makes me wonder sometimes, if I could make more money by marketing the software to higher stake players for like a monthly or yearly fee. But I wouldn't want to alienate all the lower stakes players, and I also wonder if most poker players don't stop playing after a few months, as I have seen that a lot. So i'm still thinking I will do better with a one time fee.

And of course the autojoin will join during the scan :) And I really don't think getting results from the database should take a long time, unless you are using PT3 with the cache option turned off in TST